In a world saturated with noise, pressure, and endless striving, the idea of simply stopping, of undoing, feels almost revolutionary. Imagine if the very healing we’re searching for isn’t something to chase or add to our to-do list, but something that arises when we come back to ourselves, to our direct, felt experience?
In this episode of the Live Love Learn podcast, I had the absolute pleasure of speaking with Matthew Zoltan, founder of the Undo app and creator of Natural Meditation. Matthew’s approach is not about visualising success, escaping the mind, or mastering another technique. It’s about unravelling all the ways we’ve been taught to avoid what’s real… and instead allowing the body’s own intelligence to lead.
What followed was one of the most profound and illuminating conversations I’ve had on this show, and a reminder that often the best solutions are the simplest. You can also listen to the full interview here:
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From Monk to Masseur: A Journey Back to the Body
At 19, Matthew left mainstream life to become a yogi monk, dedicating years to deep meditation, often sitting for 8 to 12 hours a day. Initially, his training was rooted in traditional methods, involving techniques designed to shift or suppress certain mental and emotional states. But over time, something unexpected began to happen.
As the hours stretched on, the techniques began to fall away, and what emerged was something deeply natural and profoundly different: his body began to meditate on its own.
Matthew noticed that when he stayed with physical discomfort, without trying to change it, his body would initiate a process of deep release. Pain would arise, then memories, emotions, and eventually a sense of resolution. The discomfort didn’t need to be fixed; it needed to be felt.
Pain as Messenger, Not Enemy
One of the most powerful themes in our conversation was the idea that pain, whether physical or emotional, is not something to fear or numb out. In fact, Matthew suggests that it is only through feeling pain that we can truly heal it.
This is where his work diverges from many other mind-body or therapeutic models. While systems like German New Medicine or the teachings of Louise Hay often involve external interpretations or affirmations, Matthew’s method is resolutely inside-out. He encourages us not to analyse our symptoms or emotions, but to return to the felt sense of the body and let the information arise organically. It’s beautiful, simple yet effective.
In his body-based meditations, certain pains consistently linked to specific thought patterns or memories. A sore knee, for example, might correlate with stubbornness or inflexibility (many have recognised the mind body connections linked to different body parts) not as an abstract theory, but as something discovered experientially through repeated practice.
The Undo App: Meditation That Meets You Where You Are
I know many in my community feel overwhelmed by the sheer volume of things we’re told to do for our health. In addition, as we awaken to the horrors around us, the deliberate control strategies, stress levels and feelings of anger, disempowerment, hopelessness etc can cause overwhelm. We are constantly being distracted to focus on problems. In this reality meditation, despite its benefits, often becomes another item on the list.
This is why I love Matthew’s Undo app. It doesn’t ask you to achieve a blissful state or clear your mind. It invites you to feel exactly what you’re already feeling. That’s it.
Whether you’re feeling resistance, discomfort, anxiety, or numbness, that becomes your meditation. You don’t push it away or try to fix it. You feel it. And in doing so, you allow the body’s natural healing intelligence to do what it’s designed to do.
It’s not about changing yourself. It’s about coming back to yourself.
Healing Without Trying
Perhaps the most radical part of Matthew’s work is that it isn’t driven by striving. There’s no goal of reaching enlightenment or becoming a ‘better’ version of yourself. In fact, he explains how intention, even the intention to heal, can, in his experience, block the natural unfolding of what the body is trying to do.
This, to me, feels like such a needed message in today’s world of endless self-optimization. Matthew’s work gently but powerfully calls us to stop micromanaging our pain, our thoughts, even our growth, and instead allow space for what’s already inside us to rise, be felt, and dissolve.
Why This Matters Now More Than Ever
So many of us are carrying invisible burdens, grief, anger, disillusionment with the world. We’re witnessing injustice, environmental collapse, harm done to children and animals… and yet told to “just stay positive.”
Matthew reminds us that the mature human being doesn’t resist pain, they learn to live with it. And by processing it, rather than avoiding it, we become more sensitive, more connected, and ultimately more free.
He speaks of healing as remembering how to feel. Because when we feel fully, we become less reactionary, more resilient, and more able to act from a place of truth, whether that’s advocating for our children, choosing what goes into our bodies, or simply holding space for others in distress.
Sensitivity Is Strength
What struck me most is Matthew’s idea that reconnecting with our own bodily intelligence reawakens our sensitivity, not just to ourselves, but to others. This is the real antidote to the numbness and cruelty we see in the world. Not moralising. Not more rules. But becoming so sensitive to the impact we have on others that we simply can’t cause harm.
This is not about being weak. It’s about reclaiming a level of presence and knowing that no institution, no expert, no external map can give us.
Ready to Feel Again?
If this resonates, I can’t recommend the Undo app highly enough. It’s not another wellness gimmick. It’s a return to something ancient and wise that lives within every one of us.
✨ Inside the app, you’ll find:
- A 14-chapter guided process to reconnect with your own felt sense
- 65+ meditations tailored to specific body areas or symptoms
- A practical guide to undoing mental conditioning, rebalancing your nervous system, and tapping into your natural intelligence
This is not about becoming someone new. It’s about remembering who you are.
Final Thoughts
If you’ve tried every healing technique, read every self-help book, or spent years in talk therapy without truly shifting something… I urge you to give this a try.
Let go of trying to feel better.
And just feel.
🔗 Learn more and download the Undo app here: https://undoapp.com/
🔗 Explore more of what I offer, from courses to consultations: https://www.catherineedwards.life
🎧 Listen to the full podcast episode with Matthew Zoltan: https://youtu.be/6gqVS8UMUXQ